In article <79i9ve$gao$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
  xian@waste.org (Xian) wrote:

> Could you please post the *full* deck?        Crypt, masters and all?  Without
> knowledge of combat defenses, voting defenses, it is nigh impossible to
> determine if there is or is not an effective counter to it.

        You've found the MI deck, and noted some weaknesses.  I can only point to
its tournament record to demonstrate its effectiveness.

        I cannot post an exact list of the other two decks; they've both been
dismantled, however, I will attempt to recreate the first from memory, but it
may be missing some components.  Keep in mind this was a pre-7/7 design.

"Bleed for three, no more, no less, thou shalt not bleed for two and four is
right out"

Crypt   12
Ingrid Russo    1       4       DO,fo,          Ventrue-A
Violette Prentis2       4       do,  ,PS        Ventrue
Ranjan Rishi    2       5       DO,fo,PS        Ventrue
Lucia Pacciola  1       6       DO,fo,ps        Ventrue
Vanessa         1       6       DO,FO,ps        Ventrue-A
Sir Walter Nash 2       7       DO,FO,PS        Ventrue Prince
Timothy Crowley 1       7       do,FO,PS        Ventrue Prince
Emerson Bridges 2       8       DO,FO,PS        Ventrue Prince

Library 90

Action  25
        Enchant Kindred   	  10
        Social Charm    	  15

Action Mod      25
        Bonding 			25

Combat  20
        Majesty 			5
        Pulled Fangs    	        5
        Rolling with the Punches        7
        Unflinching Persistence         3

Master  15
        Blood Doll     		        5
        Direct Intervention             2
        Dominate 			1
        Dreams of the Sphinx            1
        Fortitude   	                1
        Presence 			2
        Tomb of Ramses III              3

Reaction        5
        Second Tradition: Domain        5

        This deck won the first of our league tournaments last June with over 20
participants.  A similar deck placed second at Ghengis Con a couple of years
ago, there were 14 players; interestingly, it lost to a weenie-PRE-bleed deck.