On 1 Dec 1999 09:40:27 +0200, Mikko Saari 
wrote:

>Gwen Morse  wrote:
>> 'new' Thoughts Betrayed STILL trumps S:CE. Why Celerity? Because, when
>> guns have multiple strikes, they can be nasty :).
>
>Yep, I especially like .44 Magnum, superior Blur and Manstopper Rounds (or
>Glaser Rounds, whichever it was which gave +2 damage) - ta-daa, 10 damage
>first round. Few vampires can take that much blammo and stay unharmed (of
>course, Rolling with the Punches and Skin of Steel are your mortal
>enemies!)

I thought it was fixed to read "not usable the first round a gun in
used in a combat"?

>Things get even better when that gun was nowhere near when the combat
>began. I'd suggest that you add some Concealed Weapons (if your house
>rules allow it to be played without Obfuscate).
>
>> 1  Anvil                                       (Brujah, 6, CE do PO pr
>> 1  Constanza Vinti                             (Brujah, 8, CE DO PO,
>> 1  Damaskenos, Herald of Leandro               (Malkavian, 6, au ce DO
>> 1  Didi Meyers                                 (Malkavian, 5, au ce DO
>> 1  Dodd                                        (Brujah Antitribu, 5,
>> 1  Donal O'Connor                              (Brujah, 8, CE DO PO,
>> 1  Gloria Giovanni                             (Giovanni, 4, DO ne)
>> 1  Ingrid Rossler                              (Gangrel, 9, AN do FO
>
>Expensive indeed... And only eight? You need four more. Sarah Brando is an

That was my mistake. Forgot to save it after I rounded out the crypt
and jiggled the cards a bit.

My planned crypt goes something like this:

Crypt: (12 cards) [Min: 20, Max: 32, Avg: 6.44]
1  Anvil                           (Brujah, 6, CE do PO pr th, Primogen)
2  Constanza Vinti                 (Brujah, 8, CE DO PO, Prince)
1  Damaskenos, Herald of Leandro   (Malkavian, 6, au ce DO po)
2  Didi Meyers                     (Malkavian, 5, au ce DO ob)
1  Dodd                            (Brujah Antitribu, 5, CE do pr)
2  Donal O'Connor                  (Brujah, 8, CE DO PO, Prince)
1  Gloria Giovanni                 (Giovanni, 4, DO ne)
1  Melissa Barton                  (Ventrue, 5, ce do fo pr)
1  Sarah Brando                    (Brujah Antitribu, 3, CE)


>> 5  Conditioning
>
>I'd consider some Govern the Unaligneds. They help bringing vamps in and
>you get +2 bleed too when you need it. And if you use the bleeds to get
>combat, you don't have to pay for Govern if you get blocked. 

Good suggestion, converted over Conditioning to Governs.

>> 3  Effective Management
>
>I'm not so sure about these... How many vamps are you going to bring in? 

I'm not sure, but, I know (think I know?) they belong in decks  whose
crypts are on the expensive side and/or have lots of dupes. I have
both!

Also, you made mention (and I snipped it), that the dominate was only
in for Thoughts Betrayed. Actually, it's in for TB...bleed bounce, and
Govern the Unaligned (originally Conditioning).

Here's the library once again, both adjusted for cards I had wanted
the first time, and the few changes mentioned. I don't see 'room' for
ammo cards, but, I have the feeling I'm already trying to do 'too
much' with this deck already (and, I have that problem with all the
decks I design myself...I'm very unfocused).

Library: (80 cards)
7  .44 Magnum
1  Al's Army Apparatus
1  Asylum Hunting Ground
3  Blood Doll
7  Blur
3  Bum's Rush
4  Celerity
5  Deflection
3  Delaying Tactics
2  Dominate
3  Effective Management
6  Flash
5  Govern the Unaligned
2  Information Highway
6  Quickness
6  Side Strike
6  Taste of Vitae
7  Thoughts Betrayed
2  Vast Wealth
1  Warzone Hunting Ground